Damaged, Repair, Clean, Preserve Soviet Awards And Documents.

[Dolf]

Calm down, it is after all just some metal... with some history behind though. I agree it is a shame but things like this happen. With "Suvorov in this condition" I was trying to be ironic.
This is still a rare piece and I can imagine that some people are willing to pay quite a lot for it, even in this state.

/Erik

Erik,

I suppose you didn't think I was mad at you!
What makes me mad is the fact someone makes this kind of thing, for whatever reason, and by nature I can't "calm down" when I see such a thing done to any kind of award. For me it's a crime that should be punished by law, that's this simple.

Dolf

[Yeti]

No, i did't think You were mad at me.

/Erik

[new world]

Are you sure the inner part of the Suvorov is genuine?

Asking price was really low (about $30), why would anyone make fake medallion for this low price?

William

[Riley1965]

:angerr :angerr :angerr The barbarians that committed this crime should be run through a smelter. :nono :nono :nono

Doc

[Dolf]

Hi Gentlemen,

Has any of you already received a piece that was probably not packed the best possible way and therefore had an "accident" during the trip to your home and arrived with a broken screw?

Well, after so many pieces received from here and there it finally happened to me

What I'd like to know is if any of you to whom that kind of thing might have happened has some wise advise about what to do.
Is it possible to repair? How? By whom?

As the piece in question is (apparently) in silver, I went today to three different jewllers, but all three told me they wouldn't risk soldering it because their methods of soldering silver with silver would involve very high temperatures and that would most probably destroy or at least seriously damage the enamel on the obverse.
I say apparently in silver because this is a Mongolian piece and even thought it's considered to be made in Mongolian silver, the jewllers I showed the piece to, as they couldn't see the Portuguese hallmarks (obviously) were not sure if it's silver or not. I already noticed this some time ago when I also showed a Soviet silver piece to a jewller who wasn't sure it was silver. It seems to me they have this tendency to consider the local silver the only one they recognise as such and for them the best silver around, but well...

Anyway, what would you recommend? Do you think it would be possible to resolder the screw with for example tin (also called jewller's putty?) ? I believe it wouldn't be necessary to submit the piece to such high temperatures as if resoldering it with silver, am I right?

Well, if any of you have already had the same problem I'd love to read your advices on what should or could be done in such case.

Thanks a lot in advance,

Dolf

[HuliganRS]

Dolf,

I would send it back to the seller.

You could alway go to the hardware store and get a "super glue" like substance that bonds metals. You may be surprised with the results.

Rusty.

[Dolf]

Dolf,

I would send it back to the seller.

You could alway go to the hardware store and get a "super glue" like substance that bonds metals. You may be surprised with the results.

Rusty.

Rusty,

When you say I may be surprised with the results you mean positively or the opposite?
I mean that could work and secure again the screw to the piece like forever?

I just went to another kind of store, they work with different metals, they repair stuff for jewllers but the major expert wasn't there, I might see him later today, and/or pay a visit to the older Portuguese awards manufacturer (he doesn't make them anymore, but many of the Portuguese old Orders for sale from online dealers here and there often mention his name on the engraved stamp on the reverse of many pieces from the early days of last century, Frederico da Costa, a very reputable manufacturer from that period)
to see what he/they say.

So far the people with whom I talked told me that if it is to be soldered with Portuguese silver (you may remember that all jewllers here claim our silver to be the best and purest in the World ) that would almost certainly damage the enamel, but this last one I met told me that she knew an expert on enamel that could repair the piece!
She was surprised when I told her that there are no two equal enamels, each country and period has his own special colors that can't be reproduced and that was out of question and that I want the screw repaired but no damage at all to the enamel or the slightest repair.
I asked if it could be fixed with just a small drop of tin, which doesn't need as high temperatures as silver, she said I must talk to her father, the expert on this stuff, so I might see him later today.
But I think I'm gonna see the old awards manufacturer instead, I guess he would be more reliable on his opinion.

If I see it's not possible to repair here then I'll send it back to the seller. But I'd prefer to avoid that, after all I don't mind have the screw resoldered, as long as it is properly done and stays fixed forever.

Will see...

Thanks buddy,

Dolf

[HuliganRS]

Dolf,

Super glue type stuff gave me positive results. I didn't repair an order though.

Rusty.

[Dolf]

Dolf,

Super glue type stuff gave me positive results. I didn't repair an order though.

Rusty.

Rusty,

Thanks.
I'll ask the experts if that is a possible option on this case.

Dolf

[ericlida]

Dolf

I tried to repair the order.

Just my advise: don't use soldering. It will destroy the enamel. The best case scenario, if it does not distroy - it will change the color in area around.

Use a super glue, as Rusty said.

Eric.