Fake Academy Badges

[EricFG]

I see the middle one in the picture, very often on ebay and in mint condition. And I even have one and seems like it's a 80s or 90s (92-99) type item.
I haven't checked Avers8 but Igor says:
"Military School graduate badge, 1970s-80s. Brass, enamels. This unified type badge was introduced in 1957 and used until the collapse of the Soviet Union. Comes with original cardboard issue case (while supply lasts). Excellent condition. Includes original screw plate showing the late star-shaped mark of Pobeda Factory. See Figures 320 - 323 in Borisov's "Badges of the Soviet Armed Forces, 1918 - 1991". "
So I'd guess it's something different from the two, rhomboid badges to the right (in your (very helpful) image).

[CtahhR]

I have 25 of the middle ones in their boxes which are unissued. They are fairly abundant and I think I paid at very most 50 cents each for them (delivered) 2 or 3 years ago.

[desantnik]

Hello,

I have a few questions about this military academy badges.

Is this time table correct?
At first there were shields with the year, than the badge had a unified shield with CCCP, in 1957 to 1961 the badge got a new design with BY.
In 1961 the old badges were replaced by the blue rombus badges.

Now I read, that the small round badges with BY were awarded till the end of the soviet union in 1991. Is that correct?
What are the correct awarding dates?

I could be wrong, but I was under the impressed that the "VU" or "VY" badges were for a less intensive military educational experience than rhomboid badge worn by a military academy graduate. That would explain the simultaneous awarding of both the VU and rhomboid badges. I think the "VU" was similar to a US ROTC graduate or someone who studied military topics part time, as opposed to college students who went to specifically military school and studied military topics full time.

[deValcourt]

It's not so much a matter of what is correct or not in this case, but that there are several English language texts that have this same order of these badges. They suggest an aberration of the standard for some time. That is a bigger problem and one harder to fix than it seems since we have understood the order as shown for so long.

Phillip

[EricFG]

Fellas, what say you, is this a good, 80s-era academt badge?
I think so. My big concern is the blueish color of the main enamel; it's just a tad greyer in real life.
PS. Looks like a carbon copy of ol' Philskiy's badge on page 8 of this thread. For $6 from ebay I ain't complaining.

[Alfred]

Thanks for your answers,

lets go one step forward in the discussion.

These are the main versions/variations of the badge I recognized. I am not sure if all are original or fakes. I will post pictures in the next days.

Variations:

1) Badges with years on the front
a) separate shield
b) shield part of the badge

2) Badges with CCCP on the front
a) shield part of the badge

3) Unified Badges with BY
a) badge made out of one piece

I saw two different ways of fixing the screw and the shape of the screw.

see picture

best regards
Andreas

[Alfred]

3) Unified Badges with BY
a) badge made out of one piece

Here is the picture with a kind of mint mark reverse

[Alfred]

2) Badges with CCCP on the front
a) shield part of the badge

Here are the pictures

[Alfred]

Here are the pictures

[Alfred]

1) Badges with years on the front
a) separate shield

Here are the pictures