How fake are these?

[Kirchgoens]

That image you posted immediately above says something like "witnessed" in October '45 on the left side, and notes it's a copy on the right side?

[EricFG]

That image you posted immediately above says something like "witnessed" in October '45 on the left side, and notes it's a copy on the right side?

Thanks Brian,
So I wonder what he witnessed??? This could be interesting.
I like that the date is Oct. 20. That's my B-day. :)

[Kirchgoens]

I stand corrected by my wife. It's a "Certificate of Illness", that word being "certificate" and not "witness".

[EricFG]

Great. So he catches the clap on my B-day. How exciting. :(
;)

[ANZAC]

Great. So he catches the clap on my B-day. How exciting. :(
;)

:chuckle in the line of duty of course;)

[EricFG]

Re: the first book.

The bulk of the info is on the second page.
I transcribe it as:
1959 года обучался на
Курсах усовершенствования офи-
церското состава финансовой служ-
бы при Военном факультете МФИ
которые окончил с общей оценкой
М П
Начальнцк Военно-о
факульмема

1959г



And 'Prompt' translates it as:
1959 it was trained on Advanced training courses ofi - церското structure financial sluzh - at Military faculty MFI which would end with the general estimation of M П of Nachalntsk Military an факульмема 1959г

or

1959 it was trained on Advanced training courses офицерското structure of financial service at Military faculty MFI which has ended with the general estimation of M П of Nachalntsk Military an факульмема 1959г


I take it this booklet is this man's ID while training at this "Military faculty MFI"?

[UQWozza]

Hi Eric,

When using these services you need to run the hyphenated words together:

финансовой службы = financial service

офицерского состава = commissioned personnel = officers

факультет = faculty; school; department; department; division

Simon

[UQWozza]

I had a look in my lists of abbreviations and found the following:

мор = морской оборонительный район = mor = naval defensive region.

Don't know if it helps or fits.

Simon

[EricFG]

3rd doc: that one is most likely original too - a certificate of completion of some sort of medical course, giving the person the qualification of "Health Feldsher" :confused:

After about an hour of putzing around trying to translate this I decided to just toss "feldsher" into google and see what popped up. :idea
Shoulda done that first as here's what that particular title actually is:
(from wikipedia) [SIZE="2"]Feldsher (German:Feldscher, Russian/Cyrillic: Фельдшер) was the name of medical/healthcare professional that provided many medical services in the Russia (and earlier Soviet Union), mainly in rural areas.

Feldsher is an equivalent to Physician Assistant or Nurse Practitioners in the USA.

Trained in undergraduate medical / health professions schools, they were supposed to work on preventive and primary care work and refer most serious cases to higher-level institutions.

The name Feldsher was derived from the German term Feldscher, which was coined in the 15th century. Feldscher or Feldscherer means field shearer ("Feld" = Field, "Scher" comes from the geman term "Scherer" = shearer, thus "Feldscher" = fieldshear), and was the name of medieval barber-surgeons in the army. They worked as army field surgeons for the German and Swiss Landsknecht until real military medical services were established by Prussia in the early 18th century. The term was then exported with Prussian officers and nobility to Russia.[/SIZE]

So this guy or gal was probably trained to diagnose and treat trenchfoot, bandage shaving cuts and provide the mercury cure for the crabs, amongst other, common army ailments. Cool. :cool:

[deValcourt]

Neat thread. If you never found out what M.O.P.R. stands for (its essentially the political side of the humanitarian aid group "International Red Aid" - an acronym of "International Worker's Aid Society"), and since you seem to like Wikipedia ;), here's a decent link: International Red Aid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you check out the MOPR badges in Avers I think you will be quite impressed. They tended to be dramatic with depictions of "oppressed" people behind bars and in chains, that sort of heavy-handed imagery. I guess you could compare them to the Soviet "Amnesty International" for socialists and communists who were imprisoned and otherwise mistreated around the world. Wikipedia can say all they want to about it being an humanitarian aid group, but considering it was formed by Comintern, I'm sure there were many other, more political purposes for the organization.

By the way, since you mentioned Kiev, I have to assume the seller was someone whose name began with 'Z' - I was also stung by this character several years ago. It takes time for him to make the documents to order.:chuckle :mad:

Phillip